What is his name, if thou canst tell - JESUS
I recently received an e-mail for a missionary where he told us to ask Christ to ... . The reference to "ask Christ" sounded weird. I had not thought about the signature "In Christ" before but after that e-mail, it now bothers me. Proverbs 30:4 tells us about him. Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?
Jesus. The most beautiful name on earth.
Matthew 1:25 - ....and he called his name JESUS.
Philippians 2:10 - That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Why call him Christ when Jesus himself warned us what would happen in Luke 21:8 - And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
Ephesians 4:21 - If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
Jesus is the Lord. Christ is his title. He is the Lord Jesus Christ.
Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, sweetest name I know.
Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, keeps me singing as I go.
In Jesus.
Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth
Jesus is the Lord's Christ.
Luke 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.
CHrist is not some word to be attribute to Satan. Even Webster's Dictionary attests to that: Christ: anointed, the Greek translation of the Hebrew word rendered "Messiah" (q.v.),
the official title of our Lord, occurring five hundred and fourteen times in
the New Testament. It denotes that he was anointed or consecrated to his great
redemptive work as Prophet, Priest, and King of his people. He is Jesus the
Christ (Acts 17:3; 18:5; Matt. 22:42), the Anointed One. He is thus spoken of
by Isaiah (61:1), and by Daniel (9:24-26), who styles him "Messiah the Prince."
The Messiah is the same person as "the seed of the woman" (Gen. 3:15), "the seed
of Abraham" (Gen. 22:18), the "Prophet like unto Moses" (Deut. 18:15), "the
priest after the order of Melchizedek" (Ps. 110:4), "the rod out of the stem of
Jesse" (Isa. 11:1, 10), the "Immanuel," the virgin's son (Isa. 7:14), "the
branch of Jehovah" (Isa. 4:2), and "the messenger of the covenant" (Mal. 3:1).
This is he "of whom Moses in the law and the prophets did write." The Old
Testament Scripture is full of prophetic declarations regarding the Great
Deliverer and the work he was to accomplish. Jesus the Christ is Jesus the
Great Deliverer, the Anointed One, the Saviour of men. This name denotes that
Jesus was divinely appointed, commissioned, and accredited as the Saviour of
men (Heb. 5:4; Isa. 11:2-4; 49:6; John 5:37; Acts 2:22). To believe that "Jesus
is the Christ" is to believe that he is the Anointed, the Messiah of the
prophets, the Saviour sent of God, that he was, in a word, what he claimed to
be. This is to believe the gospel, by the faith of which alone men can be
brought unto God. That Jesus is the Christ is the testimony of God, and the
faith of this constitutes a Christian (1 Cor. 12:3; 1 John 5:1).
Christ means anointed. Satan was the anointed Cherub. He is A Christ, not THE Christ, the Lord's Christ. Saul, a type of the antichrist, is called "the Lord's anointed". God can anoint, christen, anyone for anything he wants. In fact, he anoints Cyrus! Isaiah 45:1.
Yes, Satan is a christ, that's what Ezekiel 28:14 says, black on white. I just believe the words in my Bible. No more complicated than that.
Read carefully Peter's words
John 6:69 And we believe and are sure that thou art THAT Christ, the Son of the living God.
John 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art THE Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
Of course as believers, we know who we're refering to when we say Christ. We are refering to the Lord Jesus Christ. But I'm wary of Christians who are always and only saying "christ"; christ this and christ that. That tends to slight his deity. A lot of washed down denominations rely heavily on "christ". you will rarely hear them say "the Lord Jesus Christ".
Satan is A christ. It is no accident that Paul says
"Philippians 2:10 That at the name of JESUS every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;"
not "at the name of christ".
people better know which Christ they have believed on.
Yes, then by this conclusion, Lucifer WAS an anointed one (i shudder at the thought of calling him CHrist.) Yet he is no longer so....just as Saul lost the anointing of the Holy Spirit (as is no longer a "christ" so has Satan lost this anointing.) All other anointed kings are dead except the one that lives on the throne today: Christ Jesus! So what is the whole argument about. It's like saying that we shouldn't name someone Bob Marley, because Bob was a person that existed 150 years ago and people still call other people Bob. But we know who the Bob Marley is...don't we? Why is there any semblence of shame in calling Him our Anointed Jesus instead of just Jesus? So what if some people use the word anointed (Christ).........
P.S.
(I may have divulged from the original argument.....but I am just trying to expand it to its implications. )
(Heb. mashiah), in all the thirty-nine instances of its occurring in the Old
Testament, is rendered by the LXX. "Christos." It means anointed. Thus priests
(Ex. 28:41; 40:15; Num. 3:3), prophets (1 Kings 19:16), and kings (1 Sam. 9:16;
16:3; 2 Sam. 12:7) were anointed with oil, and so consecrated to their
respective offices. The great Messiah is anointed "above his fellows" (Ps.
45:7); i.e., he embraces in himself all the three offices. The Greek form
"Messias" is only twice used in the New Testament, in John 1:41 and 4:25 (R.V.,
"Messiah"), and in the Old Testament the word Messiah, as the rendering of the
Hebrew, occurs only twice (Dan 9:25, 26; R.V., "the anointed one"). The first
great promise (Gen. 3:15) contains in it the germ of all the prophecies
recorded in the Old Testament regarding the coming of the Messiah and the great
work he was to accomplish on earth. The prophecies became more definite and
fuller as the ages rolled on; the light shone more and more unto the perfect
day. Different periods of prophetic revelation have been pointed out, (1) the
patriarchal; (2) the Mosaic; (3) the period of David; (4) the period of
prophetism, i.e., of those prophets whose works form a part of the Old
Testament canon. The expectations of the Jews were thus kept alive from
generation to generation, till the "fulness of the times," when Messiah came,
"made of a woman, made under the law, to redeem them that were under the law."
In him all these ancient prophecies have their fulfilment. Jesus of Nazareth is
the Messiah, the great Deliverer who was to come. (Comp. Matt. 26:54; Mark 9:12;
Luke 18:31; 22:37; John 5:39; Acts 2; 16:31; 26:22, 23.)
Source: Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary
Messiah
Messiah, anointed
he is even now "the god of this world" 2 Corinthians 4:4
Ezekiel says "thou ART (not wast) the anointed cherub" after he had sinned and fell.
Saul is just a type.
Of course, the Lord Jesus Christ still rules in the kingdom of men, as Nebuchadnezzar, another type of the antichrist, confessed. But even he God calls "my servant" Jeremiah 27:6
Satan is the perfect imitator of Jesus Christ.
Jesus is anointed (psalm 45:7)
Satan is anointed (ezekiel 28:14)
Jesus is king (mathew 21:5)
Satan is king (Job 41:34)
Jesus is prince (daniel 9:25, Isaiah 9:6)
Satan is prince (john 14:30)
Jesus is God (john 20:28)
Satan is a god (2 corinthians 4:4)
Jesus is lion (Revelation 5:5)
Satan is lion (1 Peter 5:8)
etc, etc, etc.
We are simply warning people to study the Bible in order to be able to discern false spirits and prophets. Satan is the imitator par excellence.
Again, no one is arguing that Jesus is the Christ, the promised Messiah. God forbid. The focal point is wholly different.
What does it mean to be anointed by God? Is it just a title that you carry around no matter what happens....NO....anyways....read this clip from the Mormon site:
Evidence Christ and Lucifer were Once "Equal"
Proof #1. Christ is called the "bright and morning star" (Rev.22:16) and "day star" (II Pet.1:20).
So is Lucifer (Isa.14:12) -- "O Lucifer" means "O day star" (margin, KJV) Also, he is called "son of the morning," or "morning star" (same verse).
Thus the Scriptures do show that both have or had this same title or rank!
Proof #2. Christ was a created being. He said He was "the beginning of God's creation" (Rev.3:14), and the apostle Paul refers to His as "the first born of every creature" (Col.1:15). He is referred to as an "Angel" (Acts 7:30, 35, 38). He called the Father "the only true God" (John 17:3) and referred to Him as "Father" (v.1). He said the Father was greater than He (John 14:28). The apostle Paul also verified this truth. He declared: "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him" (I Cor.8:6).
Lucifer also was a great "created being," unlike any other mentioned in the Scriptures (Ezek.28:12), who "sealest up the sum," "full of wisdom," "perfect in beauty" (same verse). God never said this of any other of the angels, archangels, cherubim, or seraphim! Of no other being is this said, but God Himself, or the Logos. Thus Lucifer was higher and greater than any other angel or created cherubim or seraphim. He too was "created"
(Ezek.28:13, 15).
Proof #3. The Logos, or Christ, is God's "anointed one" (Christos means "anointed one").
Lucifer also, unlike any other created being but Christ, was an "anointed one." God said of him, "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth" (Ezek.28:14). No other being or angel is ever said to be "anointed,' except for the Logos, or Christ (Isa.61:1; Heb.1:9; Psa.2:2).
Proof #4. The Logos, we know, was and is a "ruler" of God's creation, "upholding all things by the word of his power" (Heb.1:3).
Lucifer also was (and is) a "ruler" -- unlike any other angel or being mentioned in Scripture, he is "ruler" of the earth and has had a "throne" for aeons on the earth. He said, "I will exalt my throne" (Isa.14:13). What other angels has a "throne"? None! He is the ruler of this world (Matt.4:8-9), "prince of the power of the air" (Eph.2:2), the "god of this world" (II Cor.4:4).
Proof #5. There are only TWO "anointed" cherubim that "covered" the Ark, which represented the throne of God the Father (Exo.25:18-20). Not three or four cherubim. Thus out of all the cherubim God created -- and there were at least "four" that Ezekiel saw (Ezekiel 1:5;10:10, 20). But there were only TWO special cherubims that were "anointed" and covered the throne of God as guardians -- these two cherubim were TWINS!
Proof #6. The "mercy seat" is the seat of God, God the Father -- a type of His Throne. Today, Christ sits at His right hand, since He arose from the dead. Notice that these two cherubim, and only they -- nothing else -- are made of gold out of the mercy seat itself -- all of one part (Exo.25:18-19). "And he made two cherubims of gold, beaten out of one piece . . . out of the MERCY SEAT made he the cherubims . . ." (Exo.37:7-8).
What does this enigmatic statement tell us? It seems very puzzling. Why were the two cherubim made out of the same ESSENCE as the mercy seat, which represents God the Father?
Could this show not only that these two beings were made "from" the Father's own essence? And that they were "pro-created" from His own being? That is, His "first-born" of all creation?
Keep this puzzling fact in your mind as we further explore into this baffling mystery of the ages!
Proof #7. The day of atonement contains a ceremony in which two identical goats were chosen -- one "for the LORD" (which is sacrificed to atone for our sins) , the other the "Azazel" goat -- the goat "for departure" or ""for complete removal" (KJV margin), a representation of "Lucifer" or "Satan." Notice -- both are chosen at random, and lots are cast over them. One makes an atonement for sin (Lev.16:9), the other is cast out into the wilderness (v.10; compare Rev.20:1-2). Both goats are similar -- equal -- just "goats." But in this ceremony, these equal or similar goats are chosen, one to represent Christ, one to represent Lucifer. Again, this implies a certain "likeness" between them -- an "equality" or "similarity" at one time.
Proof #8. When Christ was crucified, as our Atonement, as the true "SON OF GOD," at that very same time another man was set free who deserved to be put to death. When Christ, the "Son of God," was killed as our Atonement, at the very same time, a criminal/murderer named "Barabbas" was set free. Barabbas was a type of the "Azazel" goat, the one "set free," while Christ, our Redeemer, symbolized as the one chosen "for the Lord," was slain for our sins. The name "Bar-abbas" in Hebrew means, "Bar" -- "son," and "abba," -- "father." That is, Bar-abbas means "SON OF THE FATHER." Thus both were "sons of the Father." Here again, the concept of "twins" comes to the forefront!
Since Bar-abbas was a "son of the Father," does not this imply that Lucifer, whom he represented, was also a "son of the Father"? And since he was set free when Christ was crucified, does this not again imply their "equality" in a sense?
Putting the Evidence Together
This is strong Biblical evidence which implies that the Logos and Lucifer were at one time considered as "equals" -- on the same plane of existence -- of the same heavenly RANK!
In astronomy, the Zodiac contains a constellation known from antiquity as "The Gemini" or "The Twins." Is it not possible that THE GEMINI (HEAVENLY) TWINS, depicted in the Zodiac, are ancient representations of the Logos and Lucifer, depicting a time when they were friends and companions, under the Father, both hovering over His throne as Guardians of the Throne of God?
As we have already seen, both Christ/The Logos and Lucifer were created beings, originally. One later became the TRUE "son" of God, and a co-Creator with the Father, and will ultimately inherit all things (Rom.8:17; Heb.2:8; I Cor.15:27-28). He has qualified for this position and glory by His obedience and faithfulness through aeons of time!
The other, however, became the "evil twin," and disappointed his heavenly Father. He also could have inherited all things with his "brother," if he had been faithful and obedient -- but instead, he rebelled against His Father, he disqualified, and was "disinherited," and "cast out." As such, he has become the great "enemy" of God and of mankind.
At one time, then, Lucifer had an opportunity to be like the Logos has become -- a co-ruler of the Universe. But pride got in the way, evil entered into his heart, he became greedy and insubordinate, rebellious and full of hate (Ezek.28:15-18). He led one third of the angels in rebellion (Rev.12:4). This implies that at one time he was "over" at least one third of all the angels, if not over even half of the angels, and that his personality and persuasiveness was great enough to cause one third of all God's angels to follow him instead of the Father and the Logos!
Clearly, Lucifer was no ordinary "cherubim"! Such a SUPER creation of God, with this kind of power and influence, must have been comparable to the Logos at one time.
But his "development" was "arrested" when he turned to evil, whereas the Logos kept on growing in power and authority and ability. His "growth" stopped. His spiritual development took a turn for the worse. Instead of learning how to become a great Creator, he developed the "dark side of the force," and became a great Destroyer!
The Rebellion of Absalom
This heavenly story of what must have occurred aeons ago in the celestial court of Heaven is similar to the story of David and his son Absalom. We read in the Old Testament that Absalom took matters into his own hands, and killed his brother Amnon who had raped his half-sister, and Absalom's sister, Tamar (II Sam.13:1-34). David banished Absalom from the kingdom for this heinous, treacherous act. Absalom never forgave David, although later David forgave him and brought him back into the kingdom.
Absalom, like Lucifer, was renown for his beauty. We read, "But in all Israel there was none to be so much praised as Absalom for his beauty: from the sole of his foot even to the crown of his head there was no blemish in him" (II Sam.14:25). But Absalom plotted and connived, and cooked up a virulent and powerful conspiracy to usurp David's throne, and seize the kingdom for himself! (II Sam.15:1-10). Lucifer tried that very same sort of thing (Isaiah 14:12-14).
Absalom succeeded in his plot, and David had to flee for his life (II Sam.15:14-30). These were dark days for David and those faithful to him, and for the kingdom of Israel. But Absalom, like Lucifer before him, stole the hearts of many of the angels, and one third followed him in his rebellion (Rev.12:4).
Do you see how the Physical is often a Type of the Spiritual Realm? Absalom was one of king David's own sons! Yet he rebelled! Even so it must have been for God the Father -- one of His very own beloved "sons" -- Lucifer -- rebelled against him, and plotted to seize the kingdom of heaven for himself!
Absalom's rebellion eventually failed, and David regained his throne. But even then his heart went out to his son, Absalom, who had been killed. He wept and mourned, and cried, "O my son Absalom, my son, my son Absalom! would I have died for thee, O Absalom, my son, my son!" (II Sam.18:33).
Truly, God the Father must know pain. Even though He is God, He is most sensitive, full of loving-kindness, and it grieves Him deeply when one of His children goes astray. He mourned and grieved when He saw the wickedness of men upon the earth before the Flood -- "it grieved him at his heart" (Gen.6:6). God is not without feelings. How it must have 'hurt' to see His own created and much-loved son "Lucifer" turn on him, and savagely attack Him, and seek to seize His throne! Can we even begin to imagine the grief and sorrow and pain He must have felt?
Christ Qualified to be King and Saviour
How how much the true "success story" of the Logos must have rejoiced His heart! Jesus Christ, that is, the Logos, was willing to obey His Father, and risk everything, and became a human being, so that He could suffer pain, and temptation, and resist sin, and abase Himself to even die for our sins, even so shameful a death as crucifixion! (John 1:14; Phil.2:5-9; Heb.12:1-4). In order to redeem us to God, and bring us back out of Satan's domain, He had to "pay" the penalty we had incurred for all our sins. He had to qualify to become our Saviour, and to pay the price for our sins. He had to live a perfect, righteous, sinless life, so He could give His life in exchange for ours! He was then resurrected, and now sits at the right hand of God as our High Priest (Heb.1:3; 3:1, 8:1).
But Christ/the Logos first had to be "perfected" through sufferings (Heb.2:10), He had to overcome temptation (Heb.4:15). He had to "learn obedience" through what He suffered (Heb.5:7-8). Through this process, He was "made perfect" (Heb.2:10, 5:8). Thus He had to qualify to replace Satan -- to "save" mankind from Satan's grasp and evil influence -- to "remove" Satan from being our lord and master!
As the letter writer pointed out, IF Christ had been the Creator of Satan, or Lucifer, in the first place, then why would He have had to qualify to replace him? That makes no sense. If He was his creator, He could simply have "replaced" him by kicking him out and taking over!
This fact alone, therefore, testifies to the truth that Christ was NOT the creator of Satan or Lucifer. Rather, He was indeed his "Twin" brother -- and therefore had to "qualify" to replace him as ruler of this earth! It was the Father -- not Christ or the Logos -- who put Lucifer in charge of the earth, aeons ago, and gave him a throne upon it!
The Son of God Died, Lucifer Must Die
We know that God became human flesh, and died for our sins -- the Messiah gave up His divinity, became a human being, so that He could suffer death for all mankind (Phil.2:5-11). He died for us that we might live through Him (II Cor.5:21). "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor, that he by the grace of God should suffer taste death for every man" (Heb.2:9).
The Scriptures also show that Lucifer -- Satan the devil -- will eventually suffer the death penalty for his sins. But for him there will be no resurrection! As Paul wrote, "For the wages of sin is DEATH" (Rom.6:23). The devil, Satan, will be turned into ashes, and perish in the final "death" -- the lake of fire (Matt.25:41). Christ Himself will eventually "destroy him that had the power over death, that is, the devil' (Heb.2:14).
Lucifer himself will exist no more! God says, "I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee" (Ezek.28:17). "Therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ASHES upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be [exist] any more" (v.18-19).
So here again, we see a parallel. Christ, the Logos, became flesh, and DIED. Lucifer, that great spirit being of Rebellion, the Enemy of God, will also perish, and taste death -- but he will do so forever!
Putting ALL the Scriptures Together
When we put all this together, it all begins to come together like a giant jigsaw puzzle, with all the pieces fitting into place. It is a glorious picture. The history of the universe, and the original rebellion of Lucifer, and how he was able to convince one third of the angels to follow him in rebellion, begins to make more sense!
The fact that Christ had to come to this earth, and qualify to become our Saviour, and had to battle Satan and resist him and conquer him (Matt.4:1-11), begins to make more sense. Such a battle would have been unnecessary if Christ had been Lucifer's creator! It would have made no sense. It would have been mere "window-dressing."
But that battle was REAL! Make no mistake about it! Christ could have failed -- He could have slipped up, sinned, and disqualified to be our Saviour! But HE DID NOT! He fought, resisted, and overcame Satan the devil! He overcame, on the spiritual battlefield, the one who had been His "twin brother" from eternity!
But wait a minute. What about those other Scriptures, which I have not yet explained, or attempted to explain, which imply that Christ/The Logos was CREATOR of "ALL" things? Did that include Lucifer?
Everything I have written so far indicates that Christ/The Logos did not create Lucifer, but God the Father did! "But," I can just hear the questions coming, "But, but, but --"???
Now let's look at those other Scriptures, and see if perhaps we have MISUNDERSTOOD them! Have we allowed preconceived ideas to lead us to false assumptions and conclusions?
The Other Side of the Picture
But what are the verses which many may think militate against this conclusion? What are the "con's" -- the passages of Scripture which would seemingly belie this picture, or render it invalid? Let's take a very careful look at them, and see what they really say, and what they don't say!
The arguments against this scenario essentially boil down to one argument only. Once we see the proof and understand that the Logos Himself was a created being, originally, and did not always "co-exist" with the "Father" as a second and "co-equal" member of the God Family, then our minds can be more open to realize that since God the Father created or pro-created ONE heavenly "Son," what was to stop Him from creating two? And, if it had worked out, three, four, five, six, or even more? Why did He stop at "two"? Let's understand!
The major argument against the Logos and Lucifer once having been "celestial twins," boils down to this: If the Logos was involved in the creation of EVERYTHING -- the whole creation of angels and the universe -- then didn't He also create Lucifer? And if He created Lucifer, then isn't the Creator more powerful than that which he creates? How could the creator be the "twin" of His own creation? Obviously, that doesn't make much sense! Would He create His own "twin"?
Now let us analyze this idea carefully. Let's try not to reason ourselves into a loop, or use circular reasoning. Let's analyze carefully all those statements which refer to the Logos as the Creator. What are they really saying? Let's not "jump to conclusions," as many seem eager to do on this subject! Let's patiently explore the evidence with an OPEN and sincere mind.
Remember, ALL the Scriptures must fit together like fingers in a glove, perfectly. To rephrase a famous defense attorney, "If the glove doesn't fit, we must aquit!" But if the glove does fit, then we must be willing to change our previous ideas and beliefs -- no matter how hard it may be! Jesus Christ pointed out, "The Scripture cannot be broken" (John 10:35). He also said, "Thy word is TRUTH" (John 17:17). So let's look at the Word of God very carefully on this issue, before we draw any conclusions, or say "it just can't be"! The EVIDENCE is all that matters -- not our presumptions, opinions, or emotionally biased feelings!
The apostle Paul wrote, "ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works" (II Tim.3:16-17).
So what about those two passages of Scripture which seem to imply that Christ/The Logos created Lucifer? Have we properly understood those passages?
Notice!
We read in John: "All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made" (John 1:2).
Paul adds in Colossians: "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him" (Col.1:16).
What do these statements, which seems so clear, REALLY MEAN? First of all, what is meant by the expression, "ALL things"?
What Does "ALL THINGS" Mean?
Let us notice carefully a comparable scripture in the book of Romans.
Paul tells us, in the book of Romans: "ALL Israel shall be saved" (Rom.11:26). What does "ALL" mean? Does this mean every last person who was or is an "Israelite" shall be saved -- EVERYONE -- no exceptions? Is Paul here teaching "UNIVERSAL salvation"?
Not at all!
Jesus Christ said to the Pharisees, who were of Israel, "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how shall ye escape the damnation of hell [Gehenna fire]?" (Matt.23:33).
Paul himself was concerned lest he himself should fall away from the truth of God, and become a "castaway" (I Cor.9:27).
The apostle John writes in the book of Revelation: "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire" (Rev.20:14-15).
John adds, in another place: "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Rev.21:8).
How clear it is, then! "All" does not necessarily mean literally, absolutely "all," as we think of it in English! Thus "ALL" Israel does not mean every single last one of all Israelites will be "saved." Not at all! Those who are wicked will be JUDGED cast into the lake of fire! What Paul means when he says "ALL" Israel, then, is "the vast majority" -- the "overwhelming preponderance." But he does not mean "all" in the sense of "every last one." Not at all!
Let's consider another example. What does it mean that Christ rule over "all things"?
We read in I Corinthians: "For he [the Father] hath put ALL under his [Christ's] feet. But when he sayeth ALL things are put under him, it is manifest that HE IS EXCEPTED which did put ALL things under him" (I Cor.15:27). "And when ALL things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put ALL things under him . . ." (v.28).
Let's analyze this statement. In this passage, we clearly see that there is an EXCEPTION made to the "all things" mentioned which will be under Christ. Paul plainly says the FATHER will not be under Christ's feet -- He is an "exception" to the "ALL things" which will be under Christ! Isn't that plain as clear crystal?
Thus whenever we read the expression "all things," we must not jump to conclusions, and think that such an expression "settles the matter" once and for all! It simply does not. This expression in many cases must not and cannot be taken literally! In this case, ALL THINGS will be under the rule of Jesus Christ, Yeshua the Messiah -- but that clearly does not include "ALL" things, for it does not include the Father Himself! He is an "exception"!
This shows us plainly that there can be "exceptions" when we read of "all" things!
What Does "ALL" Really Mean?
How, then, does this principle apply to "creation"? And to the creation of "Lucifer"?
Simply this! When the Logos created "all things" -- that does not and cannot mean literally everything. In fact, we know He did not create "all things." First, He did create the Father! Second, He did not create Himself! Therefore, "all things' obviously excludes both the Father, and Himself!
Thirdly, based on the evidence we see in Scripture which we have already discussed in this article, He did not create Lucifer!
These are the three logical exceptions! If there are any other exceptions, the Word of God does not tell us about them.
Thus the word "all" means "the vast overwhelming majority of things," or, "the preponderance of things," or "most everything," but does not necessarily mean everything! It would appear that Lucifer is an exception, because he was created with the Logos by the Father at the earliest of times, before the rest of the angels were made. He, like the Logos or Christ, was also "a morning star," " bright star of the dawn," "an anointed one," had a "throne," and held awesome power unlike that of any other angel!
Thus the exceptions to the statement that the Logos/Christ created "all things" would have been the Father, Christ or the Logos Himself, and Lucifer, who was evidently created by the Father at about the same time the Logos was created. Thus when Paul speaks of "all things" being created by Christ, this expression would simply exclude anything not created by Him, such as the Father, Himself, and Lucifer, who was created at about the same time He was!
How Many "Creations" Were There?
On the other hand, there is another fact which we must consider:
The expression "all things" could also be a limited reference that only refers to all the things that are included in THE FINAL CREATION. In other words, there must have been a "PRIOR creation" to the present one, and Lucifer and the Logos were part of that prior, primordial creation! Notice!
The Scriptures declare, "In a beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (Gen.1:1). The Hebrew does not contain the article "the." Also in John 1:1, it literally reads, "In a beginning was the Word" -- again, not "the beginning," as the King James says.
How many "beginnings" were there? Or, to put it another way, how many "creations" did God create?
Judging by the Hebrew and the Greek language, and the evidence of Scripture, there was definitely more than "one" beginning, and more than one "creation." Looking at Scriptural evidence, as well as the vast realm of geology and paleontology, there have been several periods of "Creation." What does the Word of God tell us about the different creations?
1) First, we know there was the creation of the Logos. That would be Creation #1. Thus Christ was the "first born of all creation" (Col.1:15), "the beginning of the creation of God" (Rev.3;14). This creation could have included Lucifer, as His "twin," but Lucifer isn't mentioned as part of this creation because he disqualified and disgraced himself!
2) There was the creation of the angels, who were made before the physical universe, because they rejoiced to see the physical universe created. God says of them to Job, "Where was thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? . . .When the morning stars sang together, and the sons of God [angels] shouted for joy?" (Job 38:4-7). The rest of the angels would have been "creation #2" -- and Christ, the Logos, helped the Father create them according to the New Testament (John 1:1-3; Col.1:15-16).
3) There was the creation of the present Universe -- the stars, planets, and galaxies -- the heavens and earth (Gen.1:1). This would be the third creation -- the "third beginning."
This creation may have been millions or billions of years ago -- we do not know for sure when it occurred. However, we do know that after it took place, Lucifer rebelled and led his angels into cosmic warfare. This was the true "star wars" of ancient cosmological history! He and his angels caused massive destruction and devastation throughout the earth, and solar system, when Lucifer rebelled! The result was tohu va vohu -- chaos and waste (Gen.1:2).
The earth "became" desolate and uninhabited, due to the destruction caused by the cosmic "star wars" that occurred! This fateful cataclysm may have occurred at the time of the massive dying off of the dinosaurs, estimated by geologists to have occurred perhaps 60 million years ago. Of course, their "timetable" could be very inaccurate, as well. However, there is evidence that a massive asteroid struck the earth, in the region of the Yucatan peninsula of Mexico, which caused incredible destruction of life forms around the world. Was that the time Lucifer led his angels in an attack on God's throne, after a long time of discontent and seething jealousy built up in his heart and mind? Was that when he finally "rebelled" and led one third of the angels on a very destructive course?
However, in the original universe, God did not originally create the cosmos that way. He created it beautiful, and lovely. He created it "not in vain" [tohu]" (Isa.45:18). After this cosmic destruction, there was a period of darkness upon the earth (Gen.1:2-3). But then God began another "creation."
4) Genesis 1:3-31, beginning with the "first day," then, depicts a NEW creation -- the FOURTH "creation." This was a NEW creation -- actually, a period of vast "re-creation." This new creation occurred in seven literal days when God "renewed" the face of the earth (compare Psalm 104:30).
Thus we see at least four periods of "Creation" mentioned or alluded to in the Scriptures. We know very little about the period of creation of the Logos, or Lucifer, or the "angels." That period of creation may well not have been "instantaneous" at all, but could have comprised a long period of time, when God, with the Logos, created the angels. What part Lucifer would have served in that period we do not know. Remember, however, that he is depicted as one of two "anointed" cherubim which "guard" the throne of God! He must have had great authority and presence to hold such a vital position!
During the creation of the angels, God created vast numbers of them. We know, for example, that there are billions of such creatures -- a "thousand thousand" and "ten thousand times ten thousand" (Dan.7:9-10).
How long did it take God and the Logos to create these spirit beings? Time, as we know it, did not exist then, for there were still no heavens and earth!
After this, we come to Genesis 1:1, where we read, "In the beginning [or, "a" beginning] God [Elohim, a uni-plural word which literally means, "The Mighty Ones"] created the heavens and the earth." Thus we see that the Father and the Logos created the physical universe. This fact is further verified by the statement in Genesis 1:16, where God says, "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness." God was not the "absent-minded professor" who was talking to Himself! This was the Father, speaking to the Son or the Logos!
Mankind, therefore, was made in the physical and mental "image" and "likeness" of the Logos and the Father, only composed of the dust of the ground (Gen.2:6). How interesting! God stopped creating "sons" in His spiritual image with the Logos, and Lucifer. Why did He stop? Because one of them, Lucifer, turned into a "spoiled brat" and rebelled against his Father!
At this point, then, God the Father devised a NEW PLAN. Rather than create "sons" of spirit, which could rebel and through the whole of Creation into a paroxysm of violence and destruction, He began creating further "sons" out of dust of the ground. This way He could work with them, educate them, teach them the right way to go, and give them His Torah -- His Laws and commandments -- that are the way to LIFE! This way He could observe them, as they develop their "character" on earth, during a short span of time. Those who "rebelled," like Lucifer, could be cast into a lake of fire and destroyed, without any harm coming to the rest of the Creation!
Do we begin to glimpse the awesomeness of God's Plan?
But now let's get back to the story of Creation.
We can conclude that the Logos, a created or pro-created Son of God, had qualified to become a Co-Creator with the Father when the angels were made. We read, "for by him [Christ, the Logos] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers . . ." (Col.1:16). This would obviously include the angelic beings in heaven and earth! However, as we have just seen, this passage of Scripture, speaking of "all things," would be a reference to the PRESENT CREATION, and is not even discussing the prior creation to that of the angels! It would not even be referring, then, to Lucifer, who was part of a prior "creation"!
This and similar passages, then, do not "prove" or necessarily state that the Logos created Lucifer! This statement is simply a general, over-all kind of statement of fact, such as "All Israel will be saved." It is a statement of fact referring to all things of a later Creation. It is not even taking under consideration the "first creation" period when the Logos, and apparently Lucifer, were created as the "two cherubim" that covered the Ark -- the Throne of God -- in heaven! It clearly therefore does not prove that Lucifer was created by the Logos!
Obviously, "all things" here do not include the Father. Nor do "all things" include the Son. Since many Scriptures imply that the Logos had a "twin," whom the Father created about the same time as the Logos, then this statement would also automatically exclude that "twin."
What about TWINS?
Therefore, when all this evidence is put together, we find that originally, there was ONE GOD -- THE "ANCIENT OF DAYS" (Dan.7:9-10).
At some point, then, He began to create. He created the Logos (the "firstborn" of all creation). The fact that there was a "first-born" implies that God also intended to create MORE -- at least one more -- like Him, or a "second born"! But why create only "one"? Why not "two," or "three," or more?
Notice! At the beginning of the human race, Adam and Eve had "Cain and Abel" (Gen.4:1) -- TWO SONS, or TWINS! Was this a human "type" of what had already occurred in heaven, long, long ago, in the Father's own family?
However, we do not need to literally think of the Logos and Lucifer as "twins." They were evidently not "identical twins," but more on the line of "fraternal" twins. One would have been created before the other, but very close together in time sequence, probably. They were not both alike in every way -- there were differences between them. Evidently, judging by the description given in Ezekiel 28, Lucifer was the "best-looking," or most "beautiful" of the two -- "perfect in beauty" (see Ezekiel 28:12). Yet this overpowering "beauty" was a source of temptation which led to pride and conceit (v.17). His own "brightness" led to his later corruption (same verse).
Consider this possibility, also. Even as Cain was the first twin, before Abel, and Esau was the "elder" twin who was born before his brother Jacob, so it is even possible that Lucifer was originally the first twin, followed by the Logos! But he "disqualified" himself because of his attitude from being the "firstborn." He, like Esau, apparently "despised" his "birthright," and lost title to it when he rebelled against his own Father/Creator!
As Cain was "born" before Abel, so Lucifer may have been "born" before the Logos. But, like Cain, he turned into a murderer. And as a result, he was "disinherited"!
Esau also was born before his brother Jacob, and was his "fraternal twin," but he also turned into a murderer and a bully. So much so that God said, "Was not Esau Jacob's brother? yet I loved Jacob, and I hated Esau" (Malachi 1:2-3). Esau's violent nature and uncontrolled temper finally led to his ruination. Was this not also a parallel of what happened to Lucifer, aeons before?
Noah had three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth, but it appears that Shem was the younger -- yet the "right of birth" goes through him, and he became reckoned as the "firstborn" because he was righteous. Jacob's literal "firstborn" was Reuben, but he disqualified being the firstborn because he went up to his father's bed and slept with his father's concubine, and the birthright was transferred to Joseph (Gen.49:4; I Chron.5:2). Abraham has two brothers, Nahor and Haran, but he himself was evidently the youngest -- but he also qualified to obtain the "birthright" as his two older brothers disqualified.
Even so, the Logos -- whether or not He was literally the "firstborn," became the firstborn because Lucifer disqualified, rebelled against God, and has been in a state of perpetual rebellion ever since!
The Bible has these fascinating accounts of the life stories of twins, like Cain and Abel, one evil, one righteous -- and the righteous was second-born, but became the "firstborn" when the original firstborn disqualified. Esau, the firstborn, sold his birthright to Jacob, and lost it forever.
Is it not possible, therefore, that long, long ago, God the Father made two sons -- but one of them became evil and twisted, and started a revolution amongst the angels, and became a "Destroyer" rather than a "Creator"?
God's Awesome Plan -- Reproducing Himself!
Think about it. It seems to have been God's plan from the beginning to reproduce Himself, and He began with the Logos ("Word") and "Lucifer" ("Shining Star"). Lucifer, however, corrupted himself and became a "fallen star," an "Adversary," so his name was changed to "Satan" ("Adversary," "Enemy"). Therefore, God made no more spirit beings after the same process -- the "failure rate" was too high and too costly. He could not afford to have 50% of His created "sons" turn bad like Lucifer -- or even 33%, judging by the percentage of angels who followed Satan into rebellion!
Therefore, to continue His plan, God began the new creation in Genesis 1, and this time around created "mankind" in His own image -- but out of dust of the ground, so that if mankind went "bad," those who became incorrigibly wicked could easily be destroyed, without their causing too much damage to the Universe in the process!
Like David's son Absalom, one of God the Father's "sons" went astray, rebelled, and caused vast havoc and destruction. He will be dealt with appropriately, as we have seen. But to make certain that such a thing never happened again, on a cosmic scale of rebellion and intergalactic destruction, God decided to limit the "divine experiment" to this planet we call earth, for now. And now He is furthering His plan through human beings, who live only about seventy years, and who are given this time to learn lessons of obedience to God, submission to God's Law, love and respect, honoring their parents, and loving their neighbors. This way any future "damage" will be minimized and any potential universe-destroying rebellions will be nipped in the bud, before the rebels gain enough power to do any real damage!
"The Secret Things Belong to God"
There is much that we do not know. Therefore, we should not assume that we know, based on a few superficial observations or misinterpretations of a few Scriptures. We must be very careful to put ALL the Scriptures together, and not allow ourselves to become trapped in a "box canyon."
As Moses declared, "The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong to us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law" (Deut.29:29). And God Almighty is revealing more and more to His servants during these last days, before the end!
As God told Daniel the prophet, "Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried: but the wicked shall [continue to] do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand; but the WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND" (Dan.12:9-10).
The prophet Amos also was inspired to write, "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing [including fulfilling His great awesome plan] but he REVEALETH HIS SECRET unto his servants the
prophets" (Amos 3:7).
When we stop and think about it, and look at ALL the Scriptures, the evidence showing that the Logos was created, or "pro-created" by the Father, is simply overwhelming. He did not eternally exist, co-equal and co-eternal with the Father. He Himself had "a beginning." In many passages of Scripture He is called an "Angel." He came "proceeded forth and came" from God the Father (John 8:42). He was sent to earth by the Father (John 6:29, 38, 40, 44, etc.). He acknowledged that the Father is greater than He (John 14:28). Yet He, too, became very "GOD"! He says, in John, that He is the "I AM" (John 8:58). The Jews tried to kill Him because He claimed to be the very Son of God -- and they knew what He meant (John 5:18).
Only the two anointed cherubim that covered the throne of God came forth from the throne itself -- were made out of the very same piece of gold that was the throne -- symbolizing God the Father! They were "of one piece" with the throne. Moses was told, "Even OF the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof" (Exo.25:19).
"And he made the mercy seat of pure gold . . . And he made two cherubims of gold, beaten out of one piece made he them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. . . OUT OF the mercy seat made he the cherubims . . ." (Exo.37:6-8). They were of "beaten" gold (v.7) -- meaning their "character" was hammered into shape. There were only TWO of them. What is God telling us here? Is this just superfluous and irrelevant details which have no real purpose?
Or is God TELLING us something -- something IMPORTANT?
ALL these facts, plus much more, reveal to us that the "Logos" indeed, in the earliest aeons of eternity, had a "brother" -- whom we could call a "twin" in general terms -- just as the two cherubims were "twins" for all practical purposes. This "twin" also, like the Logos at one time had the potential to become part of the Elohim. But Lucifer disqualified -- at some point, he went astray and became proud, and grew dissatisfied with God's plan and His government -- His way of doing things -- His "Law" or "Torah." So he rebelled and led one third of the "stars of heaven" -- angelic beings -- into sin and lawlessness (Rev.12:4).
What a story! Stranger than fiction! But this is the TRUTH! Lucifer led a third of the angels into cosmic combat, fighting against the legions of God, in a mad and depraved attempt to seize His Throne! (Isa.14:12-15). What a drama! And it is still unfolding before us, today! It is not yet finished!
The Scriptures clearly show that "Lucifer" -- "shining star of the dawn" -- was a superpowerful being, much more so than any normal "cherubim" although they were among the most powerful of angels. He also had a "throne," which they do not. He also was "anointed" -- they are not. He was the "anointed cherub that covereth" the throne of God -- thus making him one of the ONLY TWO that were formed out of the gold of the "mercy seat" itself, all of "one piece."
The Father created them both from the "mercy seat" -- representing Himself. Lucifer, however, was never truly "begotten" of God, or if he was, his begettal "aborted," one way or the other, when he disqualified, so he ceased to grow into his potential from that time. But he has lusted after God's office and throne ever since, and therefore has made himself into a member of the "trinity," the pagan trinity, refusing to accept his punishment. He lusts for worship and power; but now his destiny is to die.
All these facts show the uniqueness of this individual, and why he has been able to cause so much trouble for all God's people. And he is soon going to cause even MORE trouble for the saints of God! For he is not finished yet!
We read in the book of Revelation, that very soon, now, another intergalactic, celestial battle is going to take place. Once again Lucifer/Satan will stage a final desperate attempt to seize God's Throne. Once again "star wars" are soon to break out!
The apostle John records a vision of what is shortly to occur. He wrote: "And there was WAR IN HEAVEN: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And that great dragon was CAST OUT, that old serpent called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was CAST OUT into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him" (Rev.12:7-9).
When he discovers he is cast out, however, he is going to PERSECUTE the saints, the church of God, and bring great calamity to this earth! John goes on, "Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time" (Rev.12:12).
Yet he will come to his end, and none shall stop him (Rev.20:10; Matt.25:41). He will be destroyed -- for ever! If you have not read it, be sure to read our article, "What is Satan's Fate?"
The Enigma of the Devil
Throughout the Scriptures, it is evident that there are three most powerful beings, not more, at this time. There is the Father. He has supreme power and authority. Then there is the Son/Logos -- Jesus Christ, Yeshua our Messiah. All power in heaven and earth is now given to Him, under the Father (Matt.28:19-20). But thirdly, as the "ruler" of this earth, the "prince of the power of the air," the "god of this world," there is Satan the devil -- the arch-enemy of God, and the arch-enemy of mankind! Variously named Lucifer, Satan, the Adversary, Abaddon, Apollyon, Beel-zebub, he is "the prince of darkness."
Even Michael, one of the chief princes among the angelic host, the "first" among the angelic princes, who stands for Israel (Dan.12:1), cannot defeat him alone. In the book of Jude we read: "Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee" (Jude 9). Notice! Even when Michael confronted Satan in a dispute over the body of Moses, could not defeat him by himself, but called upon the LORD, saying, "The Lord rebuke thee" (Jude 9).
Lucifer/Satan still has great power. He is now compared to a "roaring lion," going about seeking whom he may devour. But we can overcome him through the indwelling power of the Spirit of God (Acts 5:32; Gal.2:20). The apostle James tells us, "RESIST the devil, and he will flee from you" (James 4:7). We are commanded to "resist" him "steadfast in the faith" (I Pet.5:9). James goes on: "Draw nigh to God and he will draw nigh to you" (v.8).
The apostle Peter commands us: "Be sober, be vigilant: because your adversary, the devil, as a roaring lion walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" (I Pet.5:8). Unfortunately, some have already been pulled aside, snatched off the true path, and have been devoured.
Mystery of the Ages
Thus we get back to an enigma -- the enigma of the devil. His origin is shrouded in mystery, but at one time he was a brilliant cherub that was "anointed" and had a throne, and was one of only "two" twins -- cherubim that guarded the throne of the Father. He failed to develop properly and to perform his duties, failing the tests the Father gave him.
On the other hand, the Logos -- the only other "anointed" cherub or Angel -- succeeded, was obedient, and developed in perfect character so that He became a partner of the Father in later creations, and qualified ultimately to be our Redeemer and Saviour, in bringing "many sons unto glory" (Heb.2:10).
The Greatest Story of All Time
What a story! What a saga! What an eye-opening and mind-boggling drama! More fantastic than any human fantasy -- more intriguing than the "Star Wars" saga or trilogy -- more awesome than a Hollywood spectacular cinematic extravaganza -- stranger than the strangest fiction -- more fascinating than the tallest "tall tale."
I know the concept of Lucifer having once been a "twin" of the Logos is hard for many people to accept. It seems so strange at first. But when we patiently sift through the Scriptural evidence, with an open mind the truth begins to come forth. Once we begin to get rid of the mud and the crud, the iridescence of the diamond's brilliance itself begins to dazzle and sparkle and radiate.
Many still have difficulty with the concept that Christ Himself, the Logos, was a created (or, "pro-created") being, the first creation of God. Once this hurdle is past, however, and we "prove" and then accept the truth about the creation of Christ, we wonder why we never saw it before! It seems so obvious, so reasonable, so logical.
Even so, if we give it enough time, and study and meditate upon it, I think the logic and power of the "heavenly twin" hypothesis will begin to clarify, and shine, and become more easily seen, more plausible, and even undeniable, when we put all the evidence together.
This is the reason why Christ needed to "qualify," to "replace" Satan! If Lucifer had been Christ's own "creation," then He would not have needed to "qualify" to replace him! He could have just "booted him out"!
But it is not so simple as that. According to the Plan of God the Father, Christ had to come down as a human being, and "prove" Himself, and go through suffering, and being tempted, and yet remain faithful, loyal to God and obedient -- or else He would have "failed." And we would have had no hope. No promise of salvation. No gift of eternal life! By dying for us, He ransomed us -- bought us back -- redeemed us from the kingdom of Satan and his world, and ushered us into His own Kingdom -- the Kingdom of God.
Truly, the "secret" things belong to God. I am sure there is much more to be learned -- that we have "only just begun" this process of learning, and discovery. As Paul wrote, "Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit" (I Cor.2:9-10).
In the words of the popular song, made famous by the singer Karen Carpenter, the revelation of God's truly mind-boggling, awesome story has "only just begun!"
You told me: you are going down the path of mormonism, that teaches that B is A.
Do you see my point? I'm pretty sure you understood what I was saying.
Now, let's be clear, any doctrine that denies that Jesus Christ is the eternal God is Satanic deceit.
But all this just proves my point. Satan is such a good imitator of Jesus Christ, you get satanic doctrines like mormonism. The comments were clear. The Bible reveals Satan as an imitator. Jesus shows up as a crowned king in Revelation 19, so does Satan in revelation 6:2. Many are deceived, like mormons. Hence the need to warn people of antiCHRISTS. Notice the Bible didn't say antiJESUSs.
I've learned with time, like many bible-believers, that 90% of heresies are distortions of Biblical TRUTHS.
Your comment is overkill. Keep it simple if you want your comments read.
God Bless
Matthew
For Consecrated's sake, I will keep this short. (j/k)
Alright, if God's anointed can be called "Christ," then we should call the following as such: Christ Saul, Christ David, Christ Peter, Paul, and James. Also, there would be Christ Joe, Christ George, etc....because we are all anointed by the Holy Spirit. "I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh"
Nay,.. we are not Christ's neither Sons....we are children.
There are no ifs. the Bible says what the Bible says. It's that simple.
Alright, because the definition of God's anointed is "Christ," then we should call the following as such: Christ Saul, Christ David, Christ Peter, Paul, and James. Also, there would be Christ Joe, Christ George, etc....because we are all anointed by the Holy Spirit. "I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh"
Nay,.. we are not Christ's neither Sons....we are children.
By the way, since the Bible is what the Bible says, then why are you saying that Satain IS a Christ. You are merely taking the Bible's fact that he was once anointed and saying, "If Satan was God's anointed, then he was a Christ." There's that "if".....
Now can we discuss the issue?
It seems to me that you did not take your time to fully appreciate the reference to "Christ" as opposed to Jesus. As I said, this missionary called on us TO ASK CHRIST. That's what threw me off.
Christ, we all agree is a title, not a name, and that the words means anointed. Mesih in Arabic, or Messiah. Jeshua Messiah. When someone is anointed for a special task, he is a Christ. Our Lord is THE CHRIST of God for our SALVATION.
Saul was an anointed to be KING. Was Saul accepted of God? Did Saul obey God? You know that he didn't, yet he was "anointed" of God. We all know that Saul was demon-possessed. He tried to kill David the future king (just like Herod the Romish king wanted to kill baby Jesus, the real promised king). He later went to the witch of endor seeking help.
As Georges explained, Satan was the "anointed cherub" that COVERETH.
Please note that we as Christians have an anointing too.
1 John 2:27 - But the ANOINTING which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
..however, my argument is not whether or not Satan as Lucifer WAS a Christ, but whether or not he is now.
joe
Umm. Let me think. Is Satan a Christ now? Well, all I can say is that he is definitely an ANTI-Christ.
Anyways...how come REvelation 2:17 stopped commenting....we were having a discussion and it just got cut short.
joe
wait...i shouldn't be laughing....mine were all removed in one shot AND (1) my clots did not form correctly and I had to deal with a month long pain (2) an infection started after all that....
Weren't you given anti-inflamatories or anti-biotics? He is on medication.
the reason why wisdom teeth are taken out is because the grow in between where the jaw curves up (at the back of your mouth) and the back molar. Some people don't have to remove the wisdom teeth because there is enough space between the two. However, in that space is the main nerve that connects your mouth to your brain. The wisdome tooth comes out above it and the roots (the bottom of the tooth) eventually grow out and become tangled with that nerve (that's why it is important to remove wisdom teeth as soon as they appear(when they are still "babies") or else the surgeon will end up accidentally removing part of the nerve). Once the tooth is taken out a blood clot must form. When you are cut and bleed, the dried up scab/ blood is really a blood clot. It is where the blood fills up and dries up as a sort of temporary sealant while new tissue forms. however, when the tooth is taken out, a deep hole is left in your mouth. You cannot see it because the dentist tries to take it from the side back. if you have a small mirror you can find it with enough work. It must fill up with blood and completely dry up. This is good! That means the tissue is healing properly. In my case, instead of filling up, my body just formed a thin layer over the top. In essence, i had a miniature drum in my mouth. When i breathed in, the pressure of the air in my mouth went down. The "drum skin" lifted up. When i breathed out, the pressure went up and what happened would be the equivalent of hitting a drum. With the main nerve directly under that hole, you can imagine what pain that caused. That was not the end. Because the blood clot was on the surface, it could rip quickly. Mine, of course (with my good luck) did just that. In other words, i had open tissue just ready for a bacterial infection (you know of course that the mouth is the single place in your body that carries the most bacteria (and the most variety)). THat's my story. That's why George is hooked on antibiotics just now. Just in case an infection forms.
joe
glad you're over with it. It's clear you must've been in some serious pain.